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GN[US Open - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 4 Board 1 - Lui, Eric 7d vs Kim, Myungwan 9p]PW[Lui, Eric]PB[Kim, Myung Wan]WR[7d]BR[9p]DT[2010-08-05]EV[2010 US Open]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Solomon Smilack]C[toffee [3d\]: I'm rooting for the pro.
Gizensha [?\]: playing it safe?
Autumn [-\]: hmm
Yvan [-\]: vwow, nice game
ddadsd [3k?\]: nothing
Alguien: It's a very open game, up to this point.
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the U.S. Open in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world.
ddadsd [3k?\]: onthe board
usagi [1d\]: I thought Mr. Lui was TheOne - does he play on KGS anymore?
USGO1 [-\]: This is round 4, board 1.  I'm Solomon Smilack, your game recorder today. 
Wasuji [6k\]: admiring the beauty of the board....why ruin it with ugly stones?
Alguien: I thought The One was Jet Li. Or Neo.
ddadsd [3k?\]: yeah
Yvan [-\]: Hi Solomon
Alguien: Thanks for this, Solomon.
NorthWind [5k\]: hey Sol, have a good one
cherisse [1k\]: roln! congrats =)
NschoTschi [-\]: ROLN111 for Champion!
NorthWind [5k\]: B on 3/3 ?
fivekiller [3k\]: did he win in euro GC?
NschoTschi [-\]: not yet
NschoTschi [-\]: but leading he is
fivekiller [3k\]: ohh
fivekiller [3k\]: great
NschoTschi [-\]: after 8 of 10 rounds
fivekiller [3k\]: whoelse is leading?
Vovka27 [3k\]: Artem :)
fivekiller [3k\]: ohh
fivekiller [3k\]: and?
Vovka27 [3k\]: only 2 leaders ^^
fivekiller [3k\]: cornnel?
Vovka27 [3k\]: 2 or 3 time loose ..
fivekiller [3k\]: merci
Moppel: they made corneld beef out of him
fivekiller [3k\]: not much meat on him?
Goprince [3d\]: wth do these guys have no life?
fivekiller [3k\]: bony beef
Goprince [3d\]: how can they take of a hoel week form work fo this ?_?
NorthWind [5k\]: vacation
Renju [?\]: they use up vacation for sure
Elmarias [-\]: or they just have stay at home jobs which they can do anytime, jsut as long as they get the work done
FireTiger [2d\]: this is going to be an awesome game
Elmarias [-\]: like me and my freelance programming XD
FireTiger [2d\]: eric lui and kim are undefeated
Vovka27 [3k\]: When the battle begins??
Elmarias [-\]: begins when all the pairings are up and players are seated
NorthWind [5k\]: and the TV ads have finished :)
manakem10 [5k\]: well there are other possibilities too, they might be students or they may make a living of it - as cornel does - more or less
ddadsd [3k?\]: boring
HandA [1k\]: epic
Fietsbel [3d\]: Is an video stream availeble?
XY0908 [-\]: USGO1 will sing a song for us while we wait.
Elmarias [-\]: im guessing p17 as first move XD
manakem10 [5k\]: well its a wide field
manakem10 [5k\]: lets concentrate on the empty board
Wasuji [6k\]: I suspect r15 is the first move
NorthWind [5k\]: that's bold , q16 bookies fav
XY0908 [-\]: If Solomon sits facing the player who plays Black, the first move will be somewhere around D4.
Wasuji [6k\]: Place your bets!
XY0908 [-\]: 35 Euros.
usagi [1d\]: I wish they would just mentally rotate the board in their heads when transcribing the game
RabidWolve [1k\]: q16
Hug [3k\]: Usgo do you know when the match is gonna start?
RabidWolve [1k\]: Usagi, you can always request such things, before the first move.
toffee [3d\]: Looks to me b is ahead.
usagi [1d\]: w is currently winning by 6.5 points
RabidWolve [1k\]: But b has sente.
Moppel: one dead mice and an empty bottle on b
XY0908 [-\]: That will be too confusing for Solomon.
HamatoYosh [-\]: who is the strongest player in the tournament?
XY0908 [-\]: Mr, Kim, so far.
Wasuji [6k\]: I don't know...Eric looks like he could bench a Pinto
Vovka27 [3k\]: Eric lost him last year?
Moppel: you can see them ?
XY0908 [-\]: Not a Yugo?
USGO1 [-\]: Eric and Myungwan last played each other at the 2009 US Open, which Myungwan swept. In that game Eric lost after not quite catching a huge dragon. I was transcribing that game a year ago, and you can see the game record here: http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/results/272-1312-1272
Vovka27 [3k\]: thanks
USGO1 [-\]: While we wait for the players to sit you can go ahead and review that game to get some background on this one ^_^
HamatoYosh [-\]: thank you!
NorthWind [5k\]: could be they started but B can't decide his first move
Josh2605 [14k\]: so has it started or will it start soon ?
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan hasn't arrived yet.
NorthWind [5k\]: ok
Josh2605 [14k\]: oh ok is there video per chance 
Moppel: mr kim still having breakfast ?
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan has just arrived.
Autumn [-\]: hmm
LittleKiss [-\]: rengo?
USGO1 [-\]: When I asked Eric how he felt about the game he said "Well, it was inevitable" so he might be a little intimidated but he seems up to the challenge.
let [8k\]: hihi
Autumn [-\]: lol
Autumn [-\]: I wouldnt be just intimidated, I'd probrably in the bathroom right now cleaning myself up
Karcusrd [7k\]: is there any video at this conf...
let [8k\]: is lui chinese?
XY0908 [-\]: Yes.
let [8k\]: and kim korean?
let [8k\]: i am luis side
cherisse [1k\]: tv stream?
USGO1 [-\]: No video feed this morning, sorry.
Karcusrd [7k\]: thanks
let [8k\]: usgo what did they eat for lunch?
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dp]C[let [8k\]: chinese?
Moppel: webcams are affordable nowadays
]
;W[pp]C[NorthWind [5k\]: shame, we like to watch them sweat
HandA [1k\]: Reverse board
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;B[dc]C[let [8k\]: b fast
Elmarias [-\]: he started off sleeping on a strategy
gooooo [10k\]: does eric play on kgs?
bfm [-\]: because first and second move are easy to play
Josh2605 [14k\]: wow almost all three boards atarted offabout the same 
let [8k\]: do u think eric has a chance?
Moppel: sure
Elmarias [-\]: there is always a chance
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;W[pd]
;B[nc]C[Moppel: and all ps may have a bad day
NorthWind [5k\]: no point playing unless you thinkso
USGO1 [-\]: Eric played in the Strong Players Online Tournament 1
Elmarias [-\]: even a 30k has a chance, its jsut statistically piled against him. still a chance though.
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;W[kd]C[soon9d [?\]: I'd say 30k has no chance.
usagi [1d\]: Oh I just realized something interesting
usagi [1d\]: I will see so this game.
Ailura [7k\]: if you give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, he will eventually type out hamlet
Ailura [7k\]: that's how much chance a 30k has
Elmarias [-\]: but its still a chance, like i said
let [8k\]: how long will the match take usago?
soon9d [?\]: I think less.
gragba: true but where are you gonna get infinite time
NorthWind [5k\]: it's ok, W aint 30k
Moppel: 30k will never manage to type hamlet
sixsix [4d\]: maybe while waiting for US Open game to start?
quyx [8k\]: poor guy, staying 30k for infinite time playing...
Elmarias [-\]: m16! use M16!
soon9d [?\]: No video because USGO doesn't want us to know that Myung wan is playing W. He's a tricky man, that USGO.
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;B[qf]C[gragba: @ailura - also it wouldnt be the monkey who created the novel. it would be the guy who sorted it out of all the other crap the monkey wrote
let [8k\]: does he steal stones?
BlgDog: no
Ailura [7k\]: @gragba that's my point... he could accidentally put all the stones in the right places and play a brilliant game, simply by chance
let [8k\]: usopem plz watch out so dat kim doesnt steal stones
soon9d [?\]: No he couldn't because the right place is never attaching to a thick wall.
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;W[ne]C[let [8k\]: how many numbers stones r? if too small easy to get stolen
bfm [-\]: oh
soon9d [?\]: 180 B stones, 181 W stones.
soon9d [?\]: Or switch B and W.
soon9d [?\]: Not or but do.
Moppel: isnt it 181 b ?
Karcusrd [7k\]: so how do they play rengo live? 4 sitting at the table poor USGO bad seat
soon9d [?\]: Yes.
ogre [2d?\]: i always want kim myungwan to lose!
gragba: no! white starts the game
Moppel: oh
gragba: yeah they changed that yesterday
let [8k\]: usgo please put some white stones on the board
Elmarias [-\]: i love rengo with 1k or 1d and a 25-30k on each team
Elmarias [-\]: its so crazy
ogre [2d?\]: i like rengo like that
Karcusrd [7k\]: do they talk over stones USGO
soon9d [?\]: Is this move usual?
ogre [2d?\]: its easier to find ddk players in the teen kyu range
Elmarias [-\]: the 25-30k are like. "This is a GREAT move!" and the 1k or 1d are like *Facepalm*
Karcusrd [7k\]: this should be live fed
let [8k\]: who wants my account? easy to type, 5 bucks would be ok
ChemBoy613 [-\]: o15 is interesting...
Moppel: too cheap
let [8k\]: ok 10 buck
let [8k\]: s
usagi [1d\]: hmm I wonder how much my account name is worth
soon9d [?\]: Talk about the game, please. Moderation?
Moppel: too late
let [8k\]: okok 5 bucks
Karcusrd [7k\]: I'v never seen live rengo are they in isolation booths
shouldBdan [6k\]: is anyone familiar with the o15 move?
Elmarias [-\]: i still want to see m16
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;B[pc]C[ogre [2d?\]: ive seen it before
soon9d [?\]: I never saw it before.
ogre [2d?\]: never played it
ogre [2d?\]: seen it a number of times
]
;W[qc]
;B[qd]C[let [8k\]: by modern go openin g is not importent anymore
bfm [-\]: why black q17 and not r17 ?
let [8k\]: u can play everywhere
ogre [2d?\]: yeah it is
toffee [3d\]: Kim so lucky to get b all the time.
shouldBdan [6k\]: opening is very important
let [8k\]: yup
shouldBdan [6k\]: shapes the rest of the game
let [8k\]: s17
billy504 [6k\]: duh
USGO1 [-\]: After this game both players will have played black twice and white twice.
Morla [5d\]: o15 looks at the wrong place now
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;W[qe]C[Jye [12k\]: bfm, R17 wQ17 and O17 is in trouble
Moppel: the opening is only important in the beginning
ogre [2d?\]: o15 is supposed to be joseki
toffee [3d\]: Q15.
Karcusrd [7k\]: i cant focus this is rengo but it just Band W
ogre [2d?\]: whats band w?
wolokom [5k\]: is that joseki?
ogre [2d?\]: isnt there a strong igs player named band w something
sanjulorf [1k\]: banding w :)
soon9d [?\]: Yes.
quyx [8k\]: bandwith
ogre [2d?\]: bandwson?
Karcusrd [7k\]: it means I cant see wich player make a move
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;B[pe]
;W[rd]
;B[od]C[ogre [2d?\]: nice call toffee
toffee [3d\]: this sequence not good for w.
gogadget [4k\]: ko
USGO1 [-\]: Is it too early for ko?
bfm [-\]: it seems better for black
gragba: but white no threats
]
;W[qd]C[NorthWind [5k\]: oh no, the enigmatic early ko
gogadget [4k\]: yes too early
]
;B[oe]C[okiosnel [2k\]: this looks waaaay too early
ogre [2d?\]: yes r16
let [8k\]: i like w
dotogo [3k?\]: looks very bad for W
ogre [2d?\]: h16?
sixsix [4d\]: horrible for w
Hug [3k\]: meh its not that bad for w^^
Kaveth [14k\]: atleast white has points
shouldBdan [6k\]: if w tenuki, can be sealed in sente..
Karcusrd [7k\]: which White?
]
;W[pf]C[gogadget [4k\]: nice for B also
sanjulorf [1k\]: o15 is now in weird position
let [8k\]: silk white
ogre [2d?\]: actually
ogre [2d?\]: h16 not good. 
indianayk [4d\]: this look bad for w. s16 might have been better at p16
chimerin [2k?\]: karcusd it was the 30k who filled at r16
ogre [2d?\]: d15 or bust
Karcusrd [7k\]: lol
let [8k\]: its just a joseiki
gogadget [4k\]: r13 
Aokame [2k\]: does w play on kgs?
ogre [2d?\]: thats an interesting way to use o15
Moppel: 정석
USGO1 [-\]: I'm sure you can look up Eric's SPOT1 games from earlier this year, since it was played on KGS.
soon9d [?\]: I think he has an account (pianist, maybe?) but doesn't really play.
USGO1 [-\]: Does anyone have a link to those results bookmarked?
ogre [2d?\]: he hasnt loged on as pianist for ever
ogre [2d?\]: at least i havent seen him on
baltimore [?\]: he has other names
ogre [2d?\]: for sure
USGO1 [-\]: I know he had a few games with Michael Chen (zchen), and they be marked as Free games...
wolokom [5k\]: white has the first corner! 
nkbigo [2d\]: time setting is very free
let [8k\]: michael chang is tennis us open participant
indianayk [4d\]: Eric's KGS name is compendium
Moppel: still ?
quyx [8k\]: http://ngol.us/Schedule.html
nkbigo [2d\]: everyone must sit at least 4 hours 0_o
let [8k\]: how many bucks does the nick sai costs? want buy
soon9d [?\]: Let, keep your comments about the game.
shouldBdan [6k\]: what does b do now??????
shouldBdan [6k\]: should he resign?
ML [3d\]: no
let [8k\]: r14 in great danger
MrCactu5 [2k\]: somehow... even though white pincered, white is getting trapped inside
Orandajinn [2d?\]: no u
MrCactu5 [2k\]: the cut is necessasry
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;B[of]
;W[pg]C[Hikky [13k\]: he could always sacrifice r14 ...
gragba: r14 can be sacrificed
Hikky [13k\]: well, he just did, so ...
let [8k\]: r14 dead now
]
;B[ic]C[shouldBdan [6k\]: r14 not dead
gragba: still aji
Hikky [13k\]: yeah, useful for aji
shouldBdan [6k\]: r11 or so
shouldBdan [6k\]: w
Hikky [13k\]: now L16 and O15 are a little out of place, and high, though, no?
let [8k\]: wut is aji?
Hikky [13k\]: aji = potential.  you could use it later, say, in a ko threat
quyx [8k\]: looks better for b to me
gragba: look it up at sensei's library
shouldBdan [6k\]: something that tastes bad, like broccoli
ogre [2d?\]: o15 has been used and l16 looks light now
chimerin [2k?\]: that's just bad aji
chimerin [2k?\]: good aji tastes good
DangoMango [2k\]: wow 13k explaining aji to 8k! lol
Moppel: not loller as to 2k
Hikky [13k\]: :D  my teacher says I'm better than 13k, I'm sure I'm not 8k yet though
XY0908 [-\]: Ranks are not everything...
quyx [8k\]: 8k trolling
StephanS [1k\]: p13 good point
kingsplace [3k\]: In fact rank on KGS barely matters
bolbi [-\]: please
toffee [3d\]: No, good aji only hints at good taste, no gaurantee.
BlgDog: can we concentrate on the game?
gragba: matters to us - doesnt it
Houdini [1k\]: lol
XY0908 [-\]: Is P13 good here?
StephanS [1k\]: now
StephanS [1k\]: maybe not
Houdini [1k\]: p13 push seems not good
ML [3d\]: maybe c15 or so
XY0908 [-\]: But if B plays there...
BlgDog: c14 
Elmarias [-\]: im thinking something around the D4 stone now..
gragba: i think p13 enhances r14 aji
Elmarias [-\]: or d14
ogre [2d?\]: o12  probably more gooder than p13 there
Elmarias [-\]: more gooder....you mean better
ogre [2d?\]: or q11
ogokon [5k?\]: l14 
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks, quyx
gragba: c14
USGO1 [-\]: Good link.
Moppel: top right i sfinished
quyx [8k\]: yw
shouldBdan [6k\]: o12 is silly
EEEEE5 [14k\]: Q9 is good?
ogre [2d?\]: oh you all mean for w its w move isnt it
shouldBdan [6k\]: yah ^^
ogre [2d?\]: maybe a kakari
ethanb [1d\]: o12 still might be more gooder :)
SWM [-\]: :o
ogre [2d?\]: f3?
BlgDog: this is slow...
BlgDog: yawn...
EEEEE5 [14k\]: q9?
ogre [2d?\]: dont complain its got long time control
ogokon [5k?\]: Trolls abound.
goyacc [1d\]: so boring, nobody talk what they want to do next 
gragba: i think attacing top left is important
ogre [2d?\]: yea say what u wanta do next
Moppel: 걸침
ogre [2d?\]: like f3 or . p13 or. c6 or whatever
SWM [-\]: i dont think half of the people here are gonna read that
SWM [-\]: lol
Hikky [13k\]: I agree with gragba, attacking top left is important, stop b from making shimari in the top left corner
NorthWind [5k\]: q11 for me
ogre [2d?\]: ok
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;W[ph]C[ethanb [1d\]: I'd be looking between C15, J16, and O12/P13
ML [3d\]: ha
usagi [1d\]: This looks after L16.
Moppel: hmpf
usagi [1d\]: barely
usagi [1d\]: It's slow
haltija [1k\]: l16 & o15 stones seem a bit useless now
from2ch [4k\]: oh,,q12!?
EEEEE5 [14k\]: its nice
shouldBdan [6k\]: this looks very slow
Hikky [13k\]: yeah, slow & gote
ogre [2d?\]: its big and thick
Moppel: w is testing bs strength ?
Elmarias [-\]: w going for slid territory right now?
Hikky [13k\]: W for solid territory might have been better at Q11, no?
haltija [1k\]: w shouldn't start the endgame in fuseki
let [8k\]: i like it
usagi [1d\]: This is a classical style move which looks at the top of the board L16.
EEEEE5 [14k\]: black can still playR8 now?
ethanb [1d\]: w is helping L16 without being heavy there
let [8k\]: b has no good following attacking moves and w has no good escaping moves so w passed
shouldBdan [6k\]: w is being slow, period.
let [8k\]: w is preparing for the group to run to home
usagi [1d\]: N13.
Iyas [6k?\]: K10!!!
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;B[kf]C[Hikky [13k\]: hehe.  $1 says B high shimari in the top left corner
Hikky [13k\]: awwwww
let [8k\]: if b attack w from the left side w get easy connected to q12
Moppel: w threatening q11 ?
josekimq [1k\]: d'ont forget.......w is 7 DAN !!!
SWM [-\]: :o
Moppel: but w shouldnt forget either
SWM [-\]: and black is 9p......
Karcusrd [7k\]: Gone ! cant take rengo with no live feed
SWM [-\]: shouldnt white be 9p?
dotogo [3k?\]: don't forger: w is afraid of b ^_^
martin3141 [1d\]: I like c11 for black more than l14
ogre [2d?\]: beat that bad man mr kim!
melk [9k\]: what's this talk about rengo?
let [8k\]: penalty now for passed stone
shouldBdan [6k\]: lol @ w threatening q11... i hope it is his next move!
USGO1 [-\]: This is the 4th round. Myungwan Kim as been White twice already, and Eric Lui has been black twice. So this evens up the colors-played ratio for both of them.
let [8k\]: by attacking b want make points by the left side
ogre [2d?\]: w needs good fast moves
martin3141 [1d\]: q12 is a good, calm move that erases the aji of r14...
ogre [2d?\]: c10?
shouldBdan [6k\]: and it has the opportunity to advance in the q11 area
Moppel: ^^
Midorya [?\]: where's the video feed?
Hikky [13k\]: so you say q12 was aimed at both L16 and aji-keshi?
let [8k\]: w must try to make root now
SWM [-\]: life
Elmarias [-\]: no video feed this year for us go congress
kingsplace [3k\]: oh my bbw is playing a game
grumpyjoe [-\]: since this is an open tournament 30k can play 9p?
let [8k\]: if w pass again b j15
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;W[id]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: in an even game?
]
;B[hd]C[ogre [2d?\]: i dont like playing j16 now
ogre [2d?\]: he did
ogokon [5k?\]: No, the players are bracketed.
ogre [2d?\]: :(
]
;W[ie]
;B[jc]C[Moppel: id say with q18 backup q12 was slack
let [8k\]: b get territory left 
]
;W[ke]C[ogre [2d?\]: what do i know
grumpyjoe [-\]: what if 30k wins all of his matches?
ethanb [1d\]: Hikky: technically that's right, but usually when people say "aji-keshi" they mean a bad move that erases potential for themselves later
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;B[lb]C[Hikky [13k\]: thanks for clarifying ethanb
MrCactu5 [2k\]: oh wow... W might not get totally destroyed afterall
NorthWind [5k\]: this keeps B topside to modest levels I guess
ogre [2d?\]: i think w could have let l16 play dead for a while
shouldBdan [6k\]: i cant believe w moved those stones already
let [8k\]: ok q12 is too slow
Hikky [13k\]: why not M17 for B instead of M18?
MXHero [3d\]: m18 is evidence that moving these stones was ok for w
baltimore [?\]: i need another laptop to set it up
ogre [2d?\]: im not so sure about that mxhero
shouldBdan [6k\]: Hikky, probably the aji at h17 is my guess
ogre [2d?\]: now w is looking heavier
Moppel: top w looks too heavy for my taste
Elmarias [-\]: i like playing on my board here. discussing with friends.
let [8k\]: since l14 w is heavy
ogre [2d?\]: well its m14 probably
ogre [2d?\]: cant very well tenuki now?
MXHero [3d\]: l14 got hurt so this trade seems fine
let [8k\]: agree and w got q12
ogre [2d?\]: maybe slow and thick is w style
Moppel: w will stave with top right points from now on
ogre [2d?\]: as long as he is playing to his style its ok
NorthWind [5k\]: h15 sente ?
ogre [2d?\]: i forget how he plays
jkljlk: how much time is left?^^
let [8k\]: f17 get big for now
ogokon [5k?\]: lol
let [8k\]: 2 times
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;W[he]
;B[gd]C[ethanb [1d\]: grumpyjoe: as you win you are paired in an accelerated fashion, but in only 6 rounds you can't make it from 30k to 7d.
ethanb [1d\]: unless the field is only 14 players or less, maybe :)
]
;W[ff]C[let [8k\]: attacking left above wil hurt avove w group
chimerin [2k?\]: i like w, he's not going crazy, just saving his stones
Moppel: ^^
let [8k\]: d15 is a present
DangoMango [2k\]: i rather he goes crazy and show some skills like lee sedol
]
;B[df]C[let [8k\]: d14 left smell on the corner but bite w fest
lameguest [?\]: lot of ppl
clydesdale [3k\]: b looks better
CptCaveman [2d\]: I rather like the demonstration of what is possible with very conservative, solid, play
Vinata [5d\]: is this tournament or leage?
ogokon [5k?\]: turney
ogokon [5k?\]: tourney*
ogre [2d?\]: yeah i guess i got used to watching too many amashi players doing their thing
Vinata [5d\]: so they never lost
Chuntian: yes
Vinata [5d\]: thx
DangoMango [2k\]: isn't eric lui pro?
]
;W[mg]C[ethanb [1d\]: if w can seal black in right now, I put him ahead
let [8k\]: c15 is for w 
ogokon [5k?\]: I still don't think tenuki is wise.
ogokon [5k?\]: Yes.
DangoMango [2k\]: how come b has his p symbol
ethanb [1d\]: DangoMango: nope
DangoMango [2k\]: oh
ethanb [1d\]: because black is pro
let [8k\]: w reshaping now
Danielsan [2k\]: Is b leading the tournament?
leego [17k\]: so w wants to go for center?
Lodestone [3k\]: it's a swiss mcmahon style tournament
loler [4d\]: who is w on kgs?
ethanb [1d\]: I've played Eric in tournaments before - I guarantee that wouldn't have happened if he were pro :)
let [8k\]: reshaping=bad shape-> good shape
ogokon [5k?\]: "Compendium," but he doesn't really play here.
CptCaveman [2d\]: Do we need to ask how those games turned out, ethan? :)
ethanb [1d\]: so far I believe my record against Eric Lui is 0-3 :)
melk [9k\]: he might have another acount, no?
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;B[nh]C[NorthWind [5k\]: c15 maybe
bikle [5k\]: Is there a result page for this tournament ?
shouldBdan [6k\]: this is so strange game
let [8k\]: c15 too early
]
;W[ng]C[brat [3k\]: 9p?
CptCaveman [2d\]: w right side could quickly get very big.
]
;B[qi]C[let [8k\]: whos ladder?
DangoMango [2k\]: so most ppl here will place their hopes in b winning??
CptCaveman [2d\]: and b noticed that too :)
MXHero [3d\]: what is this? =0
ethanb [1d\]: haha
ethanb [1d\]: nice
from2ch [4k\]: p13
Elmarias [-\]: here is results crosstab for tourney
Elmarias [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/82
loler [4d\]: r11 pro move
let [8k\]: all wants 7 dan to beat the 79 rpo ;)
bikle [5k\]: Thanks Elmarias !
NorthWind [5k\]: seems B agreed Caveman
ogre [2d?\]: what a sequence
ogre [2d?\]: by black
shouldBdan [6k\]: wow, im actually pretty impressed with r1
shouldBdan [6k\]: r11*
shouldBdan [6k\]: it looks to use all the right aji
ethanb [1d\]: amateur against pro, you almost always *hope* the amateur wins... but I doubt it happens this time
brat [3k\]: i am not impressed
DangoMango [2k\]: i'll be more impressed if b played r1 instead of r11
MXHero [3d\]: every game i've seen myungwan play, he makes some amazing play in the center and basically wins instantly
ogokon [5k?\]: I am for the pro. I love winning streaks.
shouldBdan [6k\]: how can w resonse?
chimerin [2k?\]: r12 ?
brat [3k\]: id play m11
let [8k\]: r9
Jye [12k\]: ruined w's r11 extension :P
NorthWind [5k\]: s13
dib [1d\]: p10 
ethanb [1d\]: MXHero: the only game I've seen him lose was an exhibition game against Jie Li at the 2005 Congress. That was before he moved to the U.S. - I almost wonder if losing to Jie Li influenced his decision to move
Kayres [4k\]: l14 o12 r11 pleaced so NICELY
let [8k\]: jet li?
let [8k\]: since when plays jet li go?
ogre [2d?\]: now w doesnt want to play p13
ogokon [5k?\]: Let, strop trolling.
ogre [2d?\]: that would make q12 worthless
DangoMango [2k\]: lol
]
;W[pi]
;B[pj]C[ethanb [1d\]: let: Go is a martial art - you don't think Jet Li practices it?
ethanb [1d\]: :)
Elmarias [-\]: i never heard of this go proverb before..hane at the head of 4 stones...
let [8k\]: jet li is too stupid for it
ogre [2d?\]: proverbs arent go
DangoMango [2k\]: go is like tai chi where one has to balance ying and yang
NorthWind [5k\]: hmm ominous pro aji
ethanb [1d\]: or aikido, where one turns his opponent's force against him
DeadTired [2d\]: two stones have a head. for four stones, it is more like antlers
Tabemasu [6d\]: Luckily you don't have to be intelligent to play Go
loler [4d\]: jet li plays go on the movie "hero"
let [8k\]: b wants to damage ws middle
Fiara [4k\]: You do kinda have to be artistic though.
dib [1d\]: jet li 9p because opponent always resigns
pg [18k?\]: go and martial arts are calibrated on the same scale
Moppel: go is for those who are too excitetd with tai chi
let [8k\]: if opponent not resgin jet li beat them like chicken
pg [18k?\]: ouch
ogre [2d?\]: o11 r13  damezumari
let [8k\]: r10
ethanb [1d\]: O11
Hikky [13k\]: I like o11 too
DangoMango [2k\]: what is damesumari
let [8k\]: q10 overplay
Lodestone [3k\]: r10 makes w sealed in
ogre [2d?\]: did you read my statement ehtanb
ethanb [1d\]: oh, nope - hang on a sec :)
Moppel: play hane at the top of  a stick
brat [3k\]: how is o11 damezumari
brat [3k\]: b p13?
ogre [2d?\]: o11 r13 r12 s12 s11 p13 
loler [4d\]: what is damezumari?
brat [3k\]: shortage of liberties
ogre [2d?\]: o11 lets b go r13
loler [4d\]: ok
]
;W[qj]C[MXHero [3d\]: r11 is a really amazing move
ogokon [5k?\]: r9 s10 p10 
leego [17k\]: black threatens to kill q14 group?
let [8k\]: q14 is dead now
ethanb [1d\]: ogre: why wouldn't white respond to P13 with P11?
ogre [2d?\]: and then of course sac r13 to connect throught p12
Ailura [7k\]: 17k feeding the trolls
let [8k\]: r14
ogre [2d?\]: still p13 is too bad to play
]
;B[qk]
;W[rj]C[zchen [7d\]: Eric Win!!!
ogre [2d?\]: oh neato
CptCaveman [2d\]: we needed someone to save the kibitz in here :)
Moppel: how sweet
jubjub [3k\]: this game being broadcast live?
]
;B[oj]C[Elmarias [-\]: no
let [8k\]: b wants to damage ws middle i told u
DangoMango [2k\]: no b wants to make something on the right
let [8k\]: nono
brat [3k\]: really? i thought b wanted to live low and let white get a wall
let [8k\]: right is nothing
DangoMango [2k\]: it's like a reduction forcing kinda moves
leego [17k\]: why isnt w going for p13?
ogokon [5k?\]: Center is most important now.
loler [4d\]: b too strong
let [8k\]: w must play s11 now
Jye [12k\]: leego: I don't think white's l15 group is in such trouble that w needs to connect
Chuntian: n11 maybe
SBA [8k\]: q4 seems a little lost
CptCaveman [2d\]: leego, go back to where w played q12. Once he played q12 he can no longer play p13 because that would turn q12 into a wasted move.
let [8k\]: if b s11 w s10 dead
]
;W[ri]C[CptCaveman [2d\]: So he will resist doing that unless he has to.
let [8k\]: what i said?
leego [17k\]: ok thx
leego [17k\]: 4 explaination
let [8k\]: he must play s11
let [8k\]: q8
Chuntian: maybe for the q14 group
errdi: it seems B has more stones in the board
ogokon [5k?\]: Because B is more efficient.
errdi: i see
let [8k\]: sonc
loler [4d\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: i don't feel like w is losing yet
sixko [-\]: why'd you guess stop the streamidge?
ogre [2d?\]: yeah w is groups not weak
errdi: i didn´t say losing
let [8k\]: by attacking b w can make territory down under
MrZNF [3d\]: it's b's turn
gragba: but black seems to have more points
DangoMango [2k\]: that is if b gives w a chance to attack.........
let [8k\]: b must play q8
gragba: must?
loler [4d\]: q6 
DangoMango [2k\]: if b q8, w r7.........
gragba: im not so shure
CptCaveman [2d\]: r11 really was such a nice move
MrZNF [3d\]: either r6 or q8 I think
MrZNF [3d\]: or maybe something on the bottem side 
let [8k\]: r6 is cool
MXHero [3d\]: i kinda like o3 more than r6, but it seems greedy
gragba: or cut
Elmarias [-\]: i like n4
]
;B[og]C[gragba: there we go
MrZNF [3d\]: this is also big
let [8k\]: it is bs right, he can play this all the timje
ogre [2d?\]: cut
]
;W[oh]C[MrZNF [3d\]: well it's not sente
]
;B[mh]C[MrZNF [3d\]: ok, like this it is
gragba: could help black to some left side territory
usagi [1d\]: w can't cut due to aji
let [8k\]: o11
ogre [2d?\]: he just did cut
loler [4d\]: cant
loler [4d\]: lol
usagi [1d\]: Hmm?
Micael [2k\]: w cant play 011
ogokon [5k?\]: W not looking too good.
let [8k\]: if b get connected bad for w
ogre [2d?\]: i meant cut p12
usagi [1d\]: You're saying w can cut at o11?
usagi [1d\]: Read it again.
]
;W[lh]C[ogre [2d?\]: i meant cut p12
ogre [2d?\]: read it again
]
;B[mj]C[usagi [1d\]: My comments were on move 47. I already read your comments.
ogre [2d?\]: misunderstanding then
]
;W[li]C[let [8k\]: wow
let [8k\]: cool
]
;B[lj]C[let [8k\]: q8
let [8k\]: vital point
let [8k\]: middle not big anymore
gragba: never was
DangoMango [2k\]: lol
quemal [6k\]: o9
ethanb [1d\]: if there's anybody who didn't go to the pro commentary, they're saying Q12 (that a bunch of us thought was quiet and patient defense) is the slowest, worst move possible. :)
let [8k\]: q8
Chuntian: k10 ?
loler [4d\]: i know
Hikky [13k\]: also they're saying H15 was a mistake
nicinima [8k\]: b becoming thick, q4 needs a friend
MXHero [3d\]: yeah h15 is really questionable
]
;W[lc]C[Zahlman [1k\]: shrug, h15 looks like a good shape idea to me
let [8k\]: dat was the penalty for passing
ogre [2d?\]: b had to play that great sequence tho
ogre [2d?\]: to punish
]
;B[mb]C[Zahlman [1k\]: and hard to give up on those stones after playing l16 in the first place
ogre [2d?\]: takes very strong playing r11 sequence
leego [17k\]: where is the pro commentary? can you give the link?
Hikky [13k\]: its in USGO5 game
ogre [2d?\]: usgo5 in english room
Hikky [13k\]: in EGR
Zahlman [1k\]: on the right side though... q12 just seems strange... if you want to be solid then r13, if you want to actually apply pressure and be active then p13
MXHero [3d\]: yeah that makes sense
let [8k\]: q12 is cool after dat w can play o11 o10
let [8k\]: r12
jim [6d\]: is somewhere a place with the results of this tournament?
let [8k\]: watch usgo1 s info
USGO1 [-\]: http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/72
let [8k\]: tengen!
Jye [12k\]: o11 o10 doesn't work
jim [6d\]: thx
loler [4d\]: w played moves like q12 because he is afraid
Jye [12k\]: b p11 would threaten two groups
Gelian: B must be 5 or 6 stones stronger?
MXHero [3d\]: no, not nearly
baltimore [?\]: there is no way he could give 5 stones
au2 [2d?\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/82
gragba: about 2-3 stones id say
au2 [2d?\]: try this one
Zahlman [1k\]: lol, 2 or 3 more likely
let [8k\]: r12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zahlman [1k\]: r12 is nothing
hjkjj: sup zahlman hows that shodan coming along?
gragba: three or four pro ranks = 1 stone (they say)
Zahlman [1k\]: oh ffs
]
;W[fq]C[gragba: and 7d about 1p
MohamedBM [5k?\]: where to see pictures from the tournament?
Zahlman [1k\]: someone keeps trolling me with random guest accounts...
let [8k\]: w passed 2 times not so polite for a 9pro
USGO1 [-\]: Oops yes. Thanks au2 for the link to this year's results and game records.
hjkjj: im just curious, not trollin bro
MXHero [3d\]: i don't like this f3; q4 looks too lonely
au2 [2d?\]: u r welcome
USGO1 [-\]: I had last year's link so I could post the previous game between Lui and Kim
usagi [1d\]: i don't think 7d is 1p's level, but, it's getting close
Zahlman [1k\]: it depends
let [8k\]: closer than 7 dan and 2 pro naturly
USGO1 [-\]: Eric's actual AGA rating is 8.62
MXHero [3d\]: don't forget that 7d is the highest aga rank
MXHero [3d\]: myungwan would be 7d too
loler [4d\]: stupid aga
USGO1 [-\]: ;_;
xedover [?\]: myungwan kim is pro
MXHero [3d\]: yes, well you have to guess why i said "would" :)
let [8k\]: j3
loler [4d\]: dont cry usgo
Zahlman [1k\]: hey, they figured out a rule set that solved real problems...
usagi [1d\]: what problems
Verse [3k\]: I don't think the old amateur / pro comparisons really work any more, the variation in skill among pros is not strictly evident from rank (1p might be as strong as 5p), and there are some very strong amatuer dans.
USGO1 [-\]: AGA scoring fixes the difference between Chinese and Japanese counting.
Zahlman [1k\]: getting scoring to make sense, basically
gragba: i would like to see a far pincer
USGO1 [-\]: How far?
Zahlman [1k\]: any particular reason gragba? :)
gragba: j4
dasfsd: wow, so many bad information here
let [8k\]: j3
let [8k\]: j4 is not pincer anymore
dasfsd: AGA scoring does NOT fix the difference between chinese and japanese scoring
gragba: because q4 is starting to look lonely
Elmarias [-\]: lets see e5. XD
MXHero [3d\]: let, j4 is definitely still a pincer :)
dasfsd: and AGA rating does NOT stop at 7d
loler [4d\]: lol
Zahlman [1k\]: AGA rank certainly does, though
loler [4d\]: nobody said that
MXHero [3d\]: rank, not rating, troll! :)
dasfsd: AGA amateur ranks stop at 7d, unless you win a world amateur championship
dasfsd: then you become 8d
let [8k\]: thought k3...
USGO1 [-\]: Some photos of this year's go congress can be found through the usgo website http://usgo.org/
dasfsd: for pros, the ranking is separate
shouldBdan [6k\]: i thought jie lie was 9d?
let [8k\]: jet li?
MXHero [3d\]: dasfds, you are saying things everybody agrees with
Zahlman [1k\]: das, basically, on every point where you think you are making a careful distinction, we actually got it right and you weren't careful enough to check this properly
Zahlman [1k\]: please go away
dasfsd: ok
dasfsd: i was not convinced of that :-)
MXHero [3d\]: also this is kibitz, there is a certain level of informality
dasfsd: the comment about AGA scoring is wrong though
gragba: certan what? *burp*
MXHero [3d\]: lol
let [8k\]: j3
USGO1 [-\]: ^_^;
]
;B[jj]C[let [8k\]: ouch
MXHero [3d\]: b does not like w's tenuki apparently
gragba: k10 still a pincer? lol
Itch [5k\]: tengen !
Zahlman [1k\]: ok, more accurately, it allows you to obtain the same score by either method of counting.
let [8k\]: we have a tengen pincer now!
jim [6d\]: K10 very nice
Zahlman [1k\]: lol pincer
Zahlman [1k\]: what is being pincered?
MXHero [3d\]: the center group, of course :)
gragba: pretty much everything
]
;W[cn]C[Zahlman [1k\]: :)
Zahlman [1k\]: too stong!!
huli [1k\]: :D
ogre [2d?\]: w can no longer play his middle group
let [8k\]: good just need this joseiki
let [8k\]: double flying bird 
Zahlman [1k\]: flying bird? must be chinese name? o_O
baian [1d\]: swallow  ?
]
;B[fp]
;W[gp]C[let [8k\]: yup shuang fei yan
errdi: I was thinking k10 in a long time but i did not hope b play it
Lodestone [3k\]: yi jian shuang diao
let [8k\]: f3 and c6 r the two birds
loler [4d\]: ching chong nip nong
USGO1 [-\]: Sorry to make a generalization. For more on the finer points of AGA scoring check http://www.usgo.org/resources/internet.html#Rules
slinfolo [10k\]: is there any time limit at all in a game like this?
Zahlman [1k\]: loler, that is offensive and not called for
loler [4d\]: lol
hjkjj: anyone read road to shodan lately?
MXHero [3d\]: yes slin, it's the average human lifespan
MohamedBM [5k?\]: B M12 ? Or to soon...
let [8k\]: always got prob with this joseiki
MXHero [3d\]: jk, it's timed :)
MohamedBM [5k?\]: 13*
dsaun [1k\]: slinfolo, yes, but it won't show on KGS clocks
]
;B[eq]C[Zahlman [1k\]: MX, such games have not been played since the 1800s I think... :)
slinfolo [10k\]: ok, thanks
]
;W[fo]
;B[ep]C[Zahlman [1k\]: the clock does not update automatically for D games
VISA [4d\]: duh
Zahlman [1k\]: I don't think there is a way for the demonstrator to set it, either :(
let [8k\]: 33
Anekdoten [-\]: Id rather r6 instead of k10 
Zahlman [1k\]: c3 would be inconsistent if it even works
shouldBdan [6k\]: moves are f2 and g5
Zahlman [1k\]: I don't like r6, feels like trying to make too small territory with the wall
scottw1919 [8k\]: b m13 looks like a good cut
Zahlman [1k\]: now that k10 is there, an attack from the o3 side makes sense
Anekdoten [-\]: q10 no wall
jim [6d\]: now is hard choice
MXHero [3d\]: k10 keeps looking more amazing
]
;W[fr]C[StephanS [1k\]: e6 in special circumstances
Anekdoten [-\]: q10 kina weak group
]
;B[dn]
;W[dm]C[Anekdoten [-\]: kinda
]
;B[en]C[Zahlman [1k\]: it's a wall
Zahlman [1k\]: plenty of open space, how are you going to attack?
shouldBdan [6k\]: attack on bottom doesnt fit with f4 move... strengthens bottom
typohh [6k\]: b e2 not sente?
Anekdoten [-\]: berlin's wall
farmer [4d\]: b will get M13
Lodestone [3k\]: it has some aji
ogre [2d?\]: q10 is a nice shape on the outside with no defects
let [8k\]: sure 33 works
Zahlman [1k\]: kinda, shouldBdan
shouldBdan [6k\]: 33 not good
let [8k\]: 33 and d2
Zahlman [1k\]: but the wall from this joseki is not that solid for w
MXHero [3d\]: c3 e2 and it's a problem
mishik [6k\]: Whats 33?
mishik [6k\]: 33 = c3?
let [8k\]: 33 d2
let [8k\]: not e2
Zahlman [1k\]: still, I wonder why b chose to attach  f4 first instead of d6
MXHero [3d\]: nono, e2 is better because then b can cut at g3
gragba: @mishik - yup
Lodestone [3k\]: e2 creates miai
ChemBoy613 [-\]: so far... i think this game is hard to evaluate...
mishik [6k\]: thx
MXHero [3d\]: or actually just attack w's right side
hjkjj: b ahead miles
Anekdoten [-\]: 33 is move 33
Zahlman [1k\]: mishik, 3rd point in from each side
]
;W[bo]C[hjkjj: look at this terrible result for w
Zahlman [1k\]: in whichever corner
gragba: but there are several 33s but only one c3
Zahlman [1k\]: ooh, this move
typohh [6k\]: b c9 reasonable here? pressure b into the corner and take side?
mishik [6k\]: gragba, got it
typohh [6k\]: er, pressure w into corner even
Zahlman [1k\]: some korean 5d liked to play this against me in a handi game once...
let [8k\]: w is not enough so he must agrresiv
shouldBdan [6k\]: this looks not so good for b
jim [6d\]: J4...........
Zahlman [1k\]: but it was without the play on the other side :)
Zahlman [1k\]: just a variation instead of c5 in the normal joseki
Anekdoten [-\]: and Id rather f4 instead of f3 
StephanS [1k\]: this move is quite common, but not with this joseki I think
let [8k\]: why everytime i watch such gasme i lost my own match after dat?
MXHero [3d\]: w doesn't want to play c5 because it peeps the bamboo twice (bad shape)
SunnyD [2d\]: G5!!!!!!!!!
Zahlman [1k\]: let, it is a curse
shouldBdan [6k\]: because you 3-3
let [8k\]: g5 h5 nothing happened
ogre [2d?\]: not h5
mooooo [7k\]: myungwan is back still not defeated
Zahlman [1k\]: mx, that seems like a strange rationalization
ogre [2d?\]: g5 h4 
shouldBdan [6k\]: g5 is possible but seems too lax
shouldBdan [6k\]: maybe d9
]
;B[bp]C[MXHero [3d\]: lol sounds strange but many josekis use that idea
let [8k\]: too early fo g5
StephanS [1k\]: what he sais about peepeing bamboo is right
]
;W[cp]
;B[cq]C[loler [4d\]: c5 
]
;W[co]C[let [8k\]: ko
Zahlman [1k\]: it's like... changing your mind about what to eat, because what you were going to order is also offered at another restaurant across the street
SunnyD [3d\]: loler is good!!!!!!
loler [4d\]: im strong
MXHero [3d\]: now b wins instantly, w peeped the bamboo twice! :)
Zahlman [1k\]: and see, now w played c5 anyway, and made an empty triangle in the same move
USGO1 [-\]: b5 is normal when the bamboo joint is already made, since c5 has no hope of cutting it
Zahlman [1k\]: :)
Itch [5k\]: d9 ?
]
;B[lg]C[Anekdoten [-\]: m13 at last
gragba: havoc!
farmer [4d\]: my prwediction is realized
USGO1 [-\]: What's white's plan here?
jkljlk: :O
shouldBdan [6k\]: b just wanted sente to play here
Zahlman [1k\]: ok, so c5 no longer has the advantage of possibly cutting...
SunnyD [3d\]: can you ask Eric?
ogre [2d?\]: lol
Zahlman [1k\]: but what advantage does b5 have, ever?
Zahlman [1k\]: i.e. why does it shine when c5 loses value
MXHero [3d\]: b5 makes a faster living group
ogre [2d?\]: this is what cheng xaoliu is talking about now
let [8k\]: n15
Zahlman [1k\]: by surrounding less?
shouldBdan [6k\]: by making eye shape
ogre [2d?\]: but now with k10 its even worse
skeptical [3d\]: w should tenuki
]
;W[jf]C[farmer [4d\]: white center group is thin
skeptical [3d\]: let it die :-)
MXHero [3d\]: b5 is not as good as c5 unless c5 is really bad, and then b5 is just slightly better
loler [4d\]: thin better than fat
Kalmah [-\]: mxhero a game?
MXHero [3d\]: hey kalmah, i would but this myungwan is too amazing
]
;B[mf]C[farmer [4d\]: better than heavy
Kalmah [-\]: :P Ok
MXHero [3d\]: :) we will play soon i promise
Kalmah [-\]: cool
Itch [5k\]: capturing those stones is big enough ?
MrZNF [3d\]: black just takes some small profit while keeping pressure on the weak group
ptitlou [2d\]: it stabilize the whole q10 group definitely
emerus [5k\]: mmh
farmer [4d\]: not enough, but thick
Jye [12k\]: huge... b's wall just got stronger
Zahlman [1k\]: this is big!
emerus [5k\]: the average move in the opening worth like 8 pts
emerus [5k\]: doesnt that make this bigger?
]
;W[mq]C[loler [4d\]: lol
shouldBdan [6k\]: w fearless
Zahlman [1k\]: w has eyespace problems now
loler [4d\]: j15 is going to suffer
gragba: this is not endgame yet.
MrZNF [3d\]: w has no choice
MrZNF [3d\]: w is behin
gragba: its still about the status of groups
MrZNF [3d\]: behind*
leachy [5k\]: b d11 
arbas [3k\]: excuse me but who wins between nang kang and ali?
MXHero [3d\]: emerus, the value of sente increases as the game goes on, peaking in the middle game
ptitlou [2d\]: ali
Anekdoten [-\]: k10 has become a kind of wasted move after n13 capture
scottw1919 [8k\]:  black c 11 c 12 looks good
arbas [3k\]: thanks :)cool
MrZNF [3d\]: k10 is still usefull enough
Lodestone [3k\]: k16?
Korea4K [2d\]: K16 peep
ethanb [1d\]: j15 is going to suffer, has suffered, and will always suffer until the last atari
zchen [7d\]: Yeh!!! ignore the middle!!
ethanb [1d\]: amen
loler [4d\]: poooooooor j15
nordlab [-\]: he needs to die in the middle
zchen [7d\]: GOGOGO Eric GO
nordlab [-\]: then win the game
nordlab [-\]: zchen style
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;B[ck]C[ethanb [1d\]: hehe
Zahlman [1k\]: nice move!
SunnyD [3d\]: R5
gragba: somone called for c9 earlier
farmer [4d\]: black wants to build territory on left while attacking center
]
;W[em]
;B[fn]C[gepay [2k\]: if given a choice I would take b 
Zahlman [1k\]: build left, limit the small left group, attack the k14 dragon on huge scale
MXHero [3d\]: b3 now, i'm guessing?
Zahlman [1k\]: e9 seems big
bdbdbd: w needs life first
skeptical [3d\]: i like e9
toop [2k\]: the center white looks so bad, it gives black the top about 20 points but the moyo is reduced by b's k10
bdbdbd: cannot fight like this
Zahlman [1k\]: but does w have to stabilize first? :s
ptitlou [2d\]: d13 ?
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;W[dg]C[skeptical [3d\]: good call!
MXHero [3d\]: nice o.O
Zahlman [1k\]: whoa
bdbdbd: n1
nordlab [-\]: e9 seems too easy on black to me
zima [3k\]: j/J
Zahlman [1k\]: don't understand
emerus [5k\]: b3 only one eye?
zima [3k\]: О.о
Elmarias [-\]: e13
Zahlman [1k\]: is this just trying to build a d-wall to defend the group?
skeptical [3d\]: what's next, ptitlou?
Anekdoten [-\]: e14 e13 f13 fight here
ptitlou [2d\]: ;-)
benbeckman [?\]: c13 c12
FreeDoom [?\]: w will croscut so e14 then b croscut :)
Lodestone [3k\]: c13
scottw1919 [8k\]: e9 fo b
]
;B[eg]
;W[ef]C[endonesa [12k\]: k4
Zahlman [1k\]: freedoom that's a horrible way to think :)
Ludmila [5k\]: Eric Lui was "pianist" on kgs ? i was a fan :)
]
;B[de]C[FreeDoom [?\]: why? better to do what opponent want to do before him :)
Zahlman [1k\]: because w's crosscut is easy enough to deal with, while b doesn't necessarily have a plan after crosscutting
]
;W[dh]C[MrZNF [3d\]: look at k10 being useful to the max right now :)
Zahlman [1k\]: plus, it is bad shape, playing into hane at the head of two
Zahlman [1k\]: of course, znf
]
;B[fg]C[Zahlman [1k\]: hane
FreeDoom [?\]: i think b will have a bad result
MrZNF [3d\]: of course not
MrZNF [3d\]: b cut white into two weak groups
farmer [4d\]: hard to white in this fight
shouldBdan [6k\]: mr cheng says k10 makes m13 no good
FreeDoom [?\]: (only cause he is 9p that's will be no)
flooder: is there video coverage?
MrZNF [3d\]: who is mr cheng
ogre [2d?\]: yeah thats surprising
SunnyD [3d\]: 10p
MrZNF [3d\]: I dare to disagree with him
Zahlman [1k\]: has mr cheng noticed what has happened since then :)
ogre [2d?\]: well i guess try to capture all
Zahlman [1k\]: that combination seems incredibly powerful now
shouldBdan [6k\]: mr cheng wanted b to k13 instead of m13
shouldBdan [6k\]: he says o13 stones werent important anymore
skeptical [3d\]: f16
flooder: b has a 10d aga rating
]
;W[gg]C[Vinata [5d\]: how come usgo1 and 5 are same?
nordlab [-\]: 5 is commentary
ogre [2d?\]: 5 is the pro review
Zahlman [1k\]: m13 isn't just about the o13 stones, it's about the eye space around m14
loler [4d\]: they play 2 games at the same time
]
;B[ei]C[Zahlman [1k\]: can't understand what k13 is supposed to accomplish
]
;W[di]C[ogre [2d?\]: d13 was bad!
SunnyD [3d\]: what if Eric goes to the review in the middle of the game?
]
;B[gh]C[Zahlman [1k\]: d13 is not turning out well, but it's not hard to understand why w tried it
shouldBdan [6k\]: k13 makes k14 not create so quick eyespace
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;W[hh]C[Zahlman [1k\]: sunnyd, they are playing irl and this is being relayed in two copies on kgs
]
;B[gf]
;W[hg]C[Zahlman [1k\]: and I assume the commentary is being done via internet rather than live nearby
ogre [2d?\]: i gues it took away any reductions w might have tried on upper left
ethanb [1d\]: besides, he probably already knows about his mistakes from 20 moves ago :)
SunnyD [3d\]: Eric can use an android phone to watch the kgs review
Zahlman [1k\]: ethanb, maybe "knows" is too strong, but certainly has suspicions
hjkjj: why doesnt kgs have iphone support
altrecop [1k\]: it's a review of DONE moves 
Verse [3k\]: I think people would be a bit suspicious if he got a phone out
shouldBdan [6k\]: apparently mr cheng thinks w is doing awful
Zahlman [1k\]: lol shenanigans
DangoMango [2k\]: mr cheng only shakes his head
Zahlman [1k\]: mr cheng states the obvious :)
hjkjj: last time i decided to play my nintendo ds my opponent got mad suspicious
Verse [3k\]: hjkjj: Android apps are essentially free to develop, iphone apps require that you develop on an imac of some sort, and cost money to submit to Apple.
Zahlman [1k\]: ... well
sixko [-\]: what happened in board 2?
Zahlman [1k\]: if w can prevail in this fight, it's not bad at all
emerus [5k\]: are th e previous usgo games saved?
DangoMango [2k\]: i wonder what kim think of mr chengs comment after game is over
hjkjj: Verse that's not true, plus you can charge for the app
leachy [5k\]: obviously g15, no?
loler [4d\]: they have a fist fight
ogre [2d?\]: he throw down the gauntlet
endonesa [12k\]: mr cheng bought cotton :)
Zahlman [1k\]: I can't see much more profit for b without killing something
SunnyD [3d\]: I will do an analysis of kim's review of cheng's comment tonight
Zahlman [1k\]: and then it's up to w to defend the lower moyo
Verse [3k\]: hjkjj: it is true, but yes you can charge for it :)  You can charge for the android app too
farmer [4d\]: f11
ethanb [1d\]: hjkjj: don't see where you contradict him - he's right about having to pay to develop for iPhone
Zahlman [1k\]: the n10 wall doesn't have a target for attack, unless you count its supporting role vs the center
hjkjj: i have developed an app myself and didnt have to pay?
hjkjj: you just need a developer account
leachy [5k\]: g15 or f15 needed for connect
ethanb [1d\]: you did if you wanted to get it in the App Store
Verse [3k\]: ethanb, hjkjj: it's not really germane to the game :)
endonesa [12k\]: how can you have it?
ethanb [1d\]: true :)
ethanb [1d\]: thanks, Verse
Zahlman [1k\]: leachy, the question is whether connect is necessary :)
leachy [5k\]: that's essentially what i am asking
gragba: getting back from phones to the game. what do you guys suggest for black here
typohh [6k\]: b e10?
SunnyD [3d\]: F11
Zahlman [1k\]: I'm thinking g11
ptitlou [2d\]: e10 ?
Verse [3k\]: I think black could go into cardiac arrest right here and still win
ThiGar [5k\]: f15?
ethanb [1d\]: E10 looks a little thin
hjkjj: 100 dollars is not that much.. thats like 3 sold apps
ogre [2d?\]: didnt b go e10?
ogre [2d?\]: or was that mr chengs idea
]
;B[ej]C[gragba: i also think g11 looks nice 
Zahlman [1k\]: well, is there a video feed?
hjkjj: and lets say development would take 20*40=800
gragba: but black knows better
skeptical [3d\]: winner is, again, ptitlou!
USGO1 [-\]: b went e10 in Mr Cheng's commentary :P
SunnyD [3d\]: Verse, the probability of someone in his 30's going into cardiac without prior history is 0.0326%
Zahlman [1k\]: no, winner is typohh
bdbdbd: 20*40?
ogre [2d?\]: winner is mr cheng
hjkjj: 20 hours 40$/hr
Verse [3k\]: SunnyD: Even easier for black then.
chimerin [2k?\]: lol sunny
Zahlman [1k\]: sunny, good to know, as I am approaching that decade...
Lodestone [3k\]: sunnyd, per what time interval?
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;W[eh]
;B[fh]
;W[dj]C[gragba: pptilou is kims teacher i think
]
;B[dk]
;W[ek]C[usagi [1d\]: actually if you want to cheat, what you do is get a radio receiver in your shoe to tap out morse code against your toes or something
sh [-\]: f11
sh [-\]: sry
Verse [3k\]: g11
usagi [1d\]: that has happened before in casinos. I don't know how they caught him.
leachy [5k\]: b should have just connected and played it easy
ethanb [1d\]: looks a little thin :)
ptitlou [2d\]: just made wrong calls on all previous play s;-)
Lentyi [1d\]: f11 ?
loler [4d\]: looks like b didnt read this far
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;B[fj]C[ethanb [1d\]: doubtful - there's an amazing tesuji we're missing :)
skeptical [3d\]: is w really out-muscling b so badly?
Verse [3k\]: only chance to salvage something here is f10 or g11
StephanS [1k\]: f11 then w would g10
loler [4d\]: lol
fritzzz [4k\]: that's an artist
Karcusrd [7k\]: LV logic if win then cheat then backroom
Zahlman [1k\]: skeptical, isn't it rather the other way around?
Anekdoten [-\]: love watching pros play empty tri
harpo [?\]: f10 only choice
panwisdom [5d\]: is b sure about this?
fritzzz [4k\]: it's pur genius
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;W[bj]C[Zahlman [1k\]: nah, could be g11 I think :)
Verse [3k\]: is it an empty triangle in this position?
yougotPWND [5d?\]: w will die either way
shouldBdan [6k\]: well, the triangle is empty..
shouldBdan [6k\]: empty meaning no w stone at f11
dog [2d\]: either w center or e9 will die
Zahlman [1k\]: does e8 accomplish some kind of awesome shibori the way it looks?
GregHouse [2d\]: what is w center?
GregHouse [2d\]: hey bbw your are not playing?
dog [2d\]: lol greg, no more drinks for you
Verse [3k\]: if D9 dies, white has won.
]
;B[fk]C[ethanb [1d\]: E8 may kill the corner, but I think the center is too much to give up for it
emerus [5k\]: B will force w to capture left
]
;W[bk]C[emerus [5k\]: And then force W to resign after k14 dies
loler [4d\]: lol
panwisdom [5d\]: f9 may ahve been a mistake
SunnyD [3d\]: Kim shaking his head 
copyright [2d\]: k13 
StephanS [1k\]: b9 before worked, no?
GregHouse [2d\]: f9 is ok
hexon [3k\]: why would f9 be a mistake?
ogre [2d?\]: is there a video?
]
;B[cg]C[ericosman [1k\]: k14 isn't dying yet because h11 threatens f11 throw in
leachy [5k\]: video killed the no audio star
panwisdom [5d\]: work or not should b9 first
StephanS [1k\]: but I think it works :)
SunnyD [3d\]: C8
shouldBdan [6k\]: b is toying with w
]
;W[bh]C[Zahlman [1k\]: take e8?
loler [4d\]: kill center
shouldBdan [6k\]: too small, do something to attack k14
dog [2d\]: capture time
ogre [2d?\]: anyone have link to standings?
ericosman [1k\]: "toying with w" translates as "making kikashi moves"
Elmarias [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/82
Zahlman [1k\]: I thought e8 was doing something against center?
ogre [2d?\]: thanks
panwisdom [5d\]: j11
Zahlman [1k\]: by removing aji in the surrounding stones? :)
]
;B[ge]C[donGoku [4k\]: w in trouble
leachy [5k\]: isnt e8 sente against w left side
Zahlman [1k\]: not really
Rekord [7k\]: time to kill)
ogre [2d?\]: could w have been mentally beaten going into this game?
ericosman [1k\]: is w f8 a good setup before h11 or should w just play h11 straight away ?
Zahlman [1k\]: w can give up the 2 d7 stones
Zahlman [1k\]: eric I don't think h11 is as powerful as you seem to think it is :)
StephanS [1k\]: what is w f8?
donGoku [4k\]: l15 is absolutely in danger i think
]
;W[hj]
;B[fm]C[SunnyD [3d\]: kgs needs audio support
StephanS [1k\]: f8 would be very bad
ogre [2d?\]: kgs has audio
ericosman [1k\]: well, w seemed to like h10 instead of my h11
jkljlk: pain
Zahlman [1k\]: h10 gets out faster
gragba: how much time do they still have USGO?
Zahlman [1k\]: trying to run downward
donGoku [4k\]: double pőain
SunnyD [3d\]: when we kibitz, everyone should be able to hear it
donGoku [4k\]: but he hasnt chance
shouldBdan [6k\]: mr cheng is tired of b's dancing around with the w center; he wants blood
Zahlman [1k\]: oh, that would be disastrous sunny
pebarefoot [-\]: SuunyD, thaqnk god for small favors!
Talus [13k\]: isnt this the same game as USGO5?
Zahlman [1k\]: I can only imagine what some of these other kibitzers sound like...
Zahlman [1k\]: yes, talus.
dsaun [1k\]: Talus, USGo5 is pro commentary
ogre [2d?\]: maybe mr kim will be too happy and make a blunder letting w back into the game
Ailura [7k\]: Kim is not cruel like Cheng
Zahlman [1k\]: this copy is for open kibitz, the other one is for moderated pro commentary
gragba: ...but the comments here are much worse
USGO1 [-\]: Eric seemed about to play L14
USGO1 [-\]: *13
Talus [13k\]: ok thanks
]
;W[kg]
;B[lf]C[Zahlman [1k\]: and then he does :)
]
;W[jh]C[Zahlman [1k\]: I was looking at it too
Verse [3k\]: his only realy option
USGO1 [-\]: He hesitated for a while with his hand over the board.
]
;B[jd]C[SunnyD [3d\]: pump fake in go
uimpio [9k\]: is there a live feed for this?
lobosaito [2k\]: sacrifice that to live
Zahlman [1k\]: nah... a pump fake is to deceive the opponent... this was just a lack of confidence
Karcusrd [7k\]: no live feed
SunnyD [3d\]: Eric wants to read Kim's reaction by hovering
Zahlman [1k\]: lol this is not poker
uimpio [9k\]: he must put on his poker face
lobosaito [2k\]: k11
]
;W[je]C[gragba: @USGO: how much time is on their clocks left?
USGO1 [-\]: Eric has 55min left.
typohh [6k\]: b j11?
dotogo [3k?\]: b has one big group on board. how do you think, will it stretch to w's LR corner?
]
;B[cl]C[shouldBdan [6k\]: mr cheng says b is a softy and back in his day they would have put w in his place a long time ago
ogre [2d?\]: w has gote eye at m17
ogre [2d?\]: m16 i mean
chimerin [2k?\]: you're just making this up not shouldbdan :)
Zahlman [1k\]: omg, b really is all connected
chimerin [2k?\]: *now
bdbdbd: who is this mr. cheng?
shouldBdan [6k\]: i'm not, chimerin
Zahlman [1k\]: lol shouldbdan
gragba: Kim put him in his place a long time ago when he passed
Lentyi [1d\]: Damn
Zahlman [1k\]: are you paraphrasing or being literal :)
leachy [5k\]: that's the gist of mr cheng's commentary atm
usagi [1d\]: he didn't pass
Lentyi [1d\]: B so strong
]
;W[cm]
;B[el]
;W[bl]
;B[ii]C[bdbdbd: empty triangle=instawin
gragba: someone said he passed twice (or did i get this wrong?)
loler [4d\]:  dead
shouldBdan [6k\]: move 103 USGO5 [-\]: oh!      USGO5 [-\]: soft      USGO5 [-\]: that wasn't a real eye anyway      USGO5 [-\]: definitely slow     USGO5 [-\]: B seems too polite (laughs)
Verse [3k\]: gragba: Someone said it, but I don't think it was true.
Zahlman [1k\]: :)
Moppel: lunch break
gragba: ok thanks
FreeDoom [?\]: k11 to live 
ThiGar [5k\]: is mr. Cheng a famous teacher?
]
;W[ji]
;B[ij]
;W[kj]
;B[kk]
;W[ki]C[bdbdbd: jackie chan(g)
ogokon [5k?\]: This sucks for W.
leachy [5k\]: but b has different style.....like slow cooking gradually gets grip on all board and lets psychological pressure build
jubjub [3k\]: Is there video for this game somewhere?
Zahlman [1k\]: um, j12?
Goprince [3d\]: j12
FreeDoom [?\]: well j12 removes eye... 
]
;B[hf]C[Zahlman [1k\]: or this way :)
Lentyi [1d\]: dead!
bikle [5k\]: When is lunchbreak/
Meerkov [5k\]: nnoooo not lunch breaks!
Zahlman [1k\]: no lunch break if resign, just lunch :)
loler [4d\]: w resigns before lunch
Moppel: one stone before the death
Ailura [7k\]: 12PM mountain time
]
;W[nj]C[FreeDoom [?\]: w resign in 2 -3 moves
shouldBdan [6k\]: yeah w will resign before lunch, still 40 min to go
typohh [6k\]: I thought lunchbreaks were outlawed with this many observers watching?
]
;B[mi]C[sincity [1k?\]: ?
copyright [2d\]: n11 
Zahlman [1k\]: lol typohh
Verse [3k\]: k9?
SunnyD [3d\]: as long as they have juice for lunch, it's legal for them to take a break
ogokon [5k?\]: Is this desparation?
Meerkov [5k\]: J13 for life or death...
Anekdoten [-\]: seems w can live
Moppel: lunch breaks are useful to keep go from being a sport
USGO1 [-\]: Eric has resigned. 
]
;W[]C[copyright [2d\]: end 
loler [4d\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: B+Resign
jkljlk: aww
shouldBdan [6k\]: wow
gragba: shouldBdan: is mr. cheng happy now?
farmer [4d\]: white is on the edge of death
ogre [2d?\]: how about n16 first
Autumn [-\]: Well, it was bound to happen
gragba: ahhhh
ogokon [5k?\]: GG
pebarefoot [-\]: thanks, USGO
leachy [5k\]: desperation to capitulation so quickly
bdbdbd: ownage
dsaun [1k\]: thanks for showing, USGo1
usagi [1d\]: Congratulations Kim
Illyria [2k?\]: thanks usgo
bdbdbd: pwnt
gragba: thanks USGO1
lobosaito [2k\]: m9 not works?
Janan [-\]: thanks
Meerkov [5k\]: N16 is aji keshi
ogre [2d?\]: ouch that was quick
ogokon [5k?\]: Thank you for scribing and please rely our thanks to the players and congrats to Mr. kim.
Karcusrd [7k\]: thanks USGO
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